This is an attempt to explore Q, and to write about Q, somewhat in the manner of Q.
First off, I’m not an expert on QAnon, so there is no need to take this seriously.
What was the Conspiracy?
Q does seem to be pro-Trump. However, Q does not seem to have had either Trump, or the Trump re-election committee, behind them, because it seems that Trump had little idea of what Q was talking about until relatively close to the end, when he could have taken advantage of it all along. He did occasionally retweet Q memes, but the memes were ubiquitous in the sources that Trump might read or see, so that does not mean he knew much about it. This is what he said when asked:
Trump: Yeah. I know nothing about a QAnon…. I know you told me [about QAnon], but what do you tell me doesn’t necessarily make it fact. I hate to say that. I know nothing about it. I do know that they are very much against pedophilia. They fight it very hard, but I know nothing about it….
I’ll tell you what I do know about, I know about Antifa and I know about the radical left and I know how violent they are and how vicious they are, and I know how they are burning down cities run by Democrats, not run by Republicans….
Savannah Guthrie: Just this week, you retweeted your 87 million followers a conspiracy theory that Joe Biden orchestrated to have SEAL Team Six, the Navy SEAL Team Six to kill — cover up the fake death of bin Laden. Now, why would you send a lie that to your followers? You retweeted it.
Trump: I know nothing about it. It was retweet. That was a — an opinion of somebody and that was a retweet. I put it out there. People can decide for themselves to take a position.Interview: Savannah Guthrie Leads a Town Hall With Donald Trump in Miami – October 15, 2020. Fact base
Given Trump would seem to take advantage of anything popular which favoured him or attacked his ‘enemies’, there is no reason to think that he would refrain from using Q, if it was connected to him and he knew about it. Unless Trump was in deep cover; which means he would confirm nothing of Q, although him confirming nothing, does not confirm anything.
Trump’s display of ignorance could suggest that Q was trying to take advantage of Trump and his followers for some purpose. Is there reason to think this untrue? Q had more to gain than Trump did. They could influence Trump’s followers, while binding Trump to promises he could probably never carry out such as capturing and trying Hilary Clinton as she tried to escape, engineering mass suicides of his enemies, perhaps announcing that the Mueller Report had unearthed pedophilia in security agencies, get John McCain to resign, expose Pope Francis and so on. Trump was also expected to hold ‘the Storm’ and arrest hundreds (maybe thousands) of satanic pedophiles, which may well have proven difficult if he had tried to do it – which he does not seem to have done. Trump was even incapable of triumphing over coronavirus, which was supposedly not really that deadly. Did the prophecies fail, did Trump fail, or was he pushed by Q? Were the prophecies codes for something less palatable to Trump’s people? Who are the secret manipulators?
Was Q even designed to discredit Trump and his followers, by demanding the impossible, and then letting the followers see it all fail? Q could have been the deep state in action, only pretending to be against itself. Was Trump was doing this himself? If Q was Satanist running a false flag operation, then allowing 100,000s of innocent Americans to die, because no coherent action was taken, could count as a major success.
The background: ‘drops,’ and black magic
The idea was clever. Q is supposedly a person with a Department of Energy clearance for Top Secret information (why Department of Energy?). We don’t even know Q is a real person, or how many people post as Q. The people playing Q basically issued questions, random snippets of information, made predictions and let people construct their own fantasies (or do a lot of learning as they might put it), so they provided the data and fantasy to back Q’s assertions, and spin the Web Q started. This is one supposed Q drop from near the beginning:
HRC detained, not arrested (yet).
Where is Huma? Follow Huma.
This has nothing to do w/ Russia (yet).
Why does Potus surround himself w/ generals?
What is military intelligence?
Why go around the 3 letter agencies?
What Supreme Court case allows for the use of MI v Congressional assembled and approved agencies?
Who has ultimate authority over our branches of military wo approval conditions unless 90+ in wartime conditions?
What is the military code?
Where is AW being held? Why?
POTUS will not go on tv to address nation.
POTUS must isolate himself to prevent negative optics.
POTUS knew removing criminal rogue elements as a first step was essential to free and pass legislation.
Who has access to everything classified?
Do you believe HRC, Soros, Obama etc have more power than Trump? Fantasy.
Whoever controls the office of the Presidecy controls this great land.
They never believed for a moment they (Democrats and Republicans) would lose control.
This is not a R v D battle.
Why did Soros donate all his money recently?
Why would he place all his funds in a RC?
God bless fellow Patriots.
There is no ‘secret information’ here, just questions with no answers. It is all references to things people would already have heard of, if they watched Alex Jones or similar parts of the Right0Sphere – Huma, for example is a close associate of Hillary Clinton, who is supposed to have peeled faces off children in a Satanic ceremony – is there any evidence of this? It doesn’t matter as she is not being accused of anything; people are just being told to watch her.
Here is another drop. Note the repetitions between posts, which might build up truth (‘What I tell you three times is true’):
Some of us come here to drop crumbs, just crumbs.Qposts 30-Oct-2017
POTUS is 100% insulated – any discussion suggesting he’s even a target is false.
POTUS will not be addressing nation on any of these issues as people begin to be indicted and must remain neutral for pure optical reasons. To suggest this is the plan is false and should be common sense.
Focus on Military Intellingence/ State Secrets and why might that be used vs any three letter agency
What SC decision opened the door for a sitting President to activate – what must be showed?
Why is POTUS surrounded by generals ^^
Again, there are a lot more good people than bad so have faith. This was a hostile takeover from an evil corrupt network of players (not just Democrats).
Don’t fool yourself into thinking Obama, Soros, Roth’s, Clinton’s etc have more power present day than POTUS.
Patriots are in control. Sit back and enjoy the show.
This primarily states that Trump will not say anything about what Q is saying, so overt confirmation is not to be expected. Is silence confirmation? Trump is also not a target, but a target of who? Perhaps that means he is a target of Q (because it is denied). Of course both these posts could be fake, but they show the style…. it seems like a textual Rorschach blot. We might wonder if, like Trump’s speeches, whether the ‘drops’ interrupt and disrupt ‘rational’ (Mind 1) thought processes and critical thinking? Why do they make so few connected propositions which can be challenged? Could they be acting as incantations, black magic, hypnotic effects, replacing rationality, with repeated phrases about how great we are, how persecuted we are, how we can overcome everything, how those who disagree with us are traitors? How better is life, if we just hand over our will and our trust to the black magician? To the Satanist who pretends to expose Satanists, but never does. Mind 2 finds the patterns which are hinted at within the hypnotic suggestions, and that becomes hypnotic truth…
Q as liar? Fantasy and community?
Q also claimed that sometimes they would issue false information deliberately, some say to misguide the real criminals. This admission protects everything Q says. False information could be said to not really come from Q, or was a deliberate deception for some reason. This meant that any vaguely clear statement which turned out to be so obviously wrong, that even Q followers could not believe it, was easy to explain away, or forget. If Q says straight out sometimes they lie – who knows what to trust? This is just like Trump. People no longer know what is intended to be true, what is just ignorance and what is deceit. How many times does Q have to lie, before it all seems untrue, more untrue than not, only accidentally true on occasions, or people bed down with a hypothetical truth that they will protect from challenge?
The end result is that whatever takes off amongst readers is what what they elaborate, what people need to hear to make sense of the world, and which gave them a sense of accomplishment – people issue youtube ‘news’ videos – “You are the news now,” “Do your own research,” “Have faith in you own research”. While this further engages the participants, it could lead to a situation where if a source disagrees with Q on anything it seems obviously false, and cannot be trusted. If you don’t hear anything that Q is talking about in the mainstream media, that is because that media is part of the conspiracy and is actively suppressing the information. If you do hear something that confirms, or makes sense of, Q it must be true. So QAnon the movement became, more or less, completely self-referential and self-reinforcing. What was true would be what other Q followers said was true. And some of them might think “disinformation is necessary,” and just lie for some higher purpose – whatever that was? Supporting Trump? Supporting the swamp Trump cultivated? Supporting the take down of Trump?
These processes of trust and distrust build community and closeness amongst those who hang out for more drops from Q or who attempt to make sense of Q. The community builds up the sense that something important is happening here concerning the future of the USA, and ‘we’ are participating. People accepted what they were told because others they respected did, while saying that was only something that happened to those outside their community. Sadly, what is to say we cannot be conditioned by any media/information, unless we are critical of it? As they say “where we go one, we go all” or “WWG1WGA,” which sounds a bit like the sheep they condemn others for being, but let’s assume that is not true, and it just indicates following where the ‘evidence’ takes them, as long as it does not invalidate Q.
Opposition to Q, further proves Q had something, because wouldn’t the Satanic pedophiles oppose Q in all possible ways? “Many in our govt worship Satan.” “These people worship Satan_ some openly show it.” Although Q mentions Satan relatively little, it seems to be elaborated by followers; its a meme they magnify.
Q promises action is being taken, even if we don’t see it:
The pedo networks are being dismantled.QPosts 1 Nov-2017
The child abductions for satanic rituals (ie Haiti and other 3rd world countries) are paused (not terminated until players in custody).
It certainly attracts attention, and I’ve certainly met people who think Trump is warring against organised high level pedophiles, despite the fact the only publicised arrests have been of friends of his, who previously escaped because of friends of his.
The elite pedophilia thing is not impossible. Organisations like the Catholic Church have behaved as if they were run by pedophiles to protect pedophiles and other rapists, so we cannot assume that no other high level organisations would be run in the same way. We also know that hidden pedophile rings do exist online. Online, anyone can find anything if they search hard enough, and police do break some of them. This is reported in the mainstream media, easily.
The odd thing is that Donald Trump could be seen as the person fighting pedophile rapists. That is hard to believe. He is a person who reveled in sexual assault, even if it was largely imaginary. Many women allege he behaved ‘inappropriately’ towards them. He seems to be a serial adulterer and user of prostitutes. He not only at one time had largely unreported, but real, charges against him of raping a thirteen year old girl. These charges were dropped as he became president, because the woman involved received death threats. He was a friend of Epstein’s who knew about Epstein’s tastes and did nothing about it, not even break off friendship, for years. He also knew, and hired, various other people who favoured Epstein. He specifically shouted out to Maxwell, when she was arrested, to wish her well. He deliberately had a woman who was repeatedly raped as a child unnecessarily executed for murder. We might as logically expect him to run a pedophile ring as be against it. Perhaps Q provides cover for this? Do the research….
The ‘Secret of Media’, is hidden
Some of Q, is not unreasonable:
What happens when 90% of the media is controlled/owned by (6) corporations?Qposts 22-Nov-2019
What happens when those same corporations are operated and controlled by a political ideology?
What happens when the news is no longer free from bias?
What happens when the news is no longer reliable and independent?
What happens when the news is no longer trustworthy?
What happens when the news simply becomes an extension/arm of a political party?
Fact becomes fiction?
Fiction becomes fact?
When does news become propaganda? [more]
‘Of course’, there is no analysis of the normal process of monopoly, oligopoly and control in capitalism. The post relies on the standard uninvestigated rightwing meme that the US media is ‘liberal’ or pro-Democrat, rather than pro-corporate, or biasedly pro-Republican and geared at benefitting its owners and advertisers. Q does not suggest Right wing media bias. News could equally become propaganda when it belongs to Murdoch, or other ideologically committed billionaires, who stack their media with propagandists who promote the idea that any news which disagrees with their position is both lies and politically motivated. Q suggests that bad news stories about Trump, no matter how well documented, show there is a conspiracy against Trump and against decent Americans, not that Trump might be bad. Q people have to stand outside the supposed group-think of those who think Trump is a problem, and join the group-think of denying that Trump is incompetent, corrupt, not clearing the swamp, etc. – no matter how clear Trump’s failings would seem if you investigated him with an open mind. By all means, “do your own research,” but don’t assume that only pro-Trump sources are genuine, lest you want to be mindwashed.
Just remember the lamestream media could not be bothered to report the charges of Trump raping adolescents or many of his war actions, before thinking it is inherently anti-Trump.
If Trump was a Satanist, we might ask, does Trump enjoy other people’s deaths? Is this why he had people executed on his way out? Is this why he pretended Covid would not kill many Americans, even now when over 400,000 Americans (current figures, likely to get bigger) have died? Is this why he ignored Covid after the election, to pay people back for not voting him in? Is this why he allows companies more freedom to pollute and poison people? Is this why Trump media also pretends the virus is not real? It is sacrificing its watchers to some ‘higher cause’?
Did Trump pardon those who entered the Capitol Building for him, or did he pardon politicians who were convicted for defrauding people for money, or convicted of tax or financial fraud, people who committed war crimes, or high level people who were convicted for illegal acts protecting him? Is this defending the swamp and casting aside the principled? What does your media say?
Q is dead, but Q is not dead
That Q was, at best, largely fake, should be relatively clear to everyone by now. The Storm never happened. There never were any mass arrests carried out by Trump, even at the last minute. There never was any outside evidence of the plots that Q generated awareness of. There were no trials. Three years of promises with nothing to show, except winding up support for Trump. But who knows, perhaps Q can be saved by pretending the failure of the prophecies was a necessary step towards later success, that so many good people could not have been sold a line so it must be true, or that people misread the drops (not hard) and that Q did not bother to let anyone know…. In which case Q is at best unreliable, and we still are not certain Q was other than a complete fake.
Acknowledged failure does not mean Q will not start up again, or that people who are dedicated will not keep it going, but it needs a new rationale. And that may take a while to get going…. So don’t give up on it yet, only 4 years till the next attempt (at best).
Because QAnon was so widespread in the ‘Right0sphere’, the domain of dedicated Right wing theory and propaganda, people who frequent that zone are almost certainly influenced by Q memes and Q provoked fantasy, even if they have never knowingly directly engaged with the Q community, and even if they thought Q was loopy. They share some things in common to begin with, so increasing that sharing may not be hard. In that case, is the spread of Qdom limited by the presence of Q, any more? It may have its own self-generating base, and so will probably continue, even if it drops in popularity, and it may well resurface later on, when all the disproving factors have been forgotten.
Q and real politics
Part of Q’s success involves what I have called ‘shadow politics’. That is the ability to displace evil on to outgroups, or the ‘other side’ in a binary political system. Because the other side is not us, and we are good, they become the repository of all our suppressed, or unacknowledged desires. Through this thoroughly human process, we are able to truly identify the evil and fight it. Fighting that evil, and hopefully expelling it, bonds us together in community, while also making the separation between the groups sharper and more intense.
As it is harder to talk across groups, it becomes easier to believe they are deluded and evil. Because this separation is so involved in fantasy, there is no limit to what can seem to be true, in terms of their evil and our good. You can see this in action with people condemning those others involved in QAnon, almost as much as you can see it in the QAnon movement itself.
Politics and economics also tend to become caught in fantasies and projections which are collective and cultural, and indeed even make collective culture. It might even be the case that effective politics is about the creation of effective fantasies – which can then obstruct people from attending to the reality they are dealing with, and lead to destruction – because they seem so true, and they are so easy to communicate. One important thing in research is to attempt to prove you are right, the other is to explore how much you can be wrong. This is difficult when fantasies are involved, and is almost never encouraged by leaders, whose power often depends on you accepting their truth.
What Q does indicate, and what should be taken seriously, is the shear amount of alienation in the US population, and how deeply uninvolved, or frightened, at least 30% or so of potential voters feel about political process. How they feel the ruling elites do not listen to them, the intellectual elites despise them, and the media is untruthful – and, sadly, there is real point to that feeling. This is significant. For many people, it feels as if the current world is being run by evil geniuses (or evil morons), who have no morals at all.
We can assert that the ideologies of capitalism have let people down, because those ideologies have no capacity to explain what is happening to people, or give consolation. People have little hope – nothing indicates that doing what they are supposed to do (like ‘work hard’) actually works for them. They are losing money and life chances. Life is going downhill, for them and their children. It shows they feel they are the victims of forces they cannot control – and this is probably correct. It may also show they feel that God has abandoned them, or needs a lot of placating to be on their side.
QAnon also shows people’s own heroism, they were prepared to stand up for change, if they thought that change was true. They were prepared to separate from families and community for this truth. That it may not have been true, does not diminish that heroism, or their determination to find things out and take the consequences.
Do Q’s satanic pedophiles exist, at any really important level, any more than the Pizzagate ring existed? Probably not. However, it is important symbolically, as it again could represent the idea that people experience themselves as being at the mercy of predators in their daily lives, which could well be true – they are all subject to the forces of predatory capitalism, and a system which sacrifices normal people for taxcuts for the wealthy, fossil fuels, run down housing, and subsidies for the hyper-wealthy.
If this alienation from politics and from social life, is not taken seriously by people in politics (and religion) and they do not work to fix it, but continue to work to take advantage of it, or dismiss it, then the US will continue to head for tyranny, persecution of innocents and collapse. Everything may well unwind. If steps are not taken, the future could be every bit as horrific as Q suggests.